We spoke on a video call, Karla from her home surrounded by plants she has accumulated over decades, me from my Wellington apartment, where six borrowed plants — left by friends who had moved away — were arranged on the windowsill. Outside, the trees were bare. I had been thinking about grief all month.
Karla Brodie grew up with her hands in the earth. Her great-grandmother had a chamomile lawn you could smell when you stepped on it. Her grandmother let things run riot. By the time Karla had her own bedroom, it was full of plants. She gave each one her attention the way some people give attention to people.
I came to Karla because Olive Bieringa had mentioned her — as someone who practises ecosomatics in the most ordinary way, without the theory, just the life. I wanted to understand how a person genuinely rooted in the natural world experienced grief differently. What I found was a conversation that kept turning back to me, to my own estrangement from the living world, to the synthetic mind I had been handed at birth and had only recently begun to question.
Karla is a gardener, a yoga and meditation teacher, a practitioner of Ayurveda. She tends worm farms. She saves seeds. She takes cuttings from every garden she visits, which means her garden is an archive of friendships, visits, and people who are no longer nearby, or no longer living.
The conversation
On growing up inside the green world
When I ask Karla about her earliest memories of plants, she doesn't describe a single moment. She describes a lineage. Her great-grandfather on his knees on a chamomile lawn. Her grandmother's garden, overgrown and generous. When she studied Ayurveda, she had no human study partners. So she used plants instead.
The vata dosha — the air element — I was looking at bamboo, growing very quick and hard and fast. And then for pitta, the fire element, it was the things that were flowering. And the earth element was kauri trees — very slow growing, very steady, these big solid trunks. Nature became the lens I see myself through, and also how I teach.
This is ecosomatics before it had a name. The body reading itself through the body of the forest. The idea that you can know something in your cells before you know it in your mind.
"I feel like if I connect with one kauri tree, I can connect with all the kauri trees. It's very intrinsic to me."
— Karla BrodieOn alone as all one
Sometimes I suffer from loneliness. I feel a sense of separation or isolation. And then the next minute — my house is full of plants, I have animals here, I have trees. So I can't really be alone. "Alone," if you spell it out, is "all one." That loops back into my spiritual tradition, where we are interconnected with everything.
Karla says this with the weight of someone who has actually felt it in the body — the shift from contraction to expansion, from the loneliness of the self to the companionship of the ecosystem. It's the same shift that Olive Bieringa's ecosomatic practice tries to create through movement. Karla arrives at it through attention.
On the magnolia tree and how grief moves through seasons
A close friend of Karla's died. During the mourning period, there was a magnolia tree outside — deep in bud, not yet flowering. She looked at it one day and made a decision.
I saw it and I was like: I have to remember to see beauty in this time of deep grief. And so those flowers — over the course of time — slowly grew and bloomed and let go. A really important part of that grief process for me was actually seeing the cycle, the seasonal cycles.
What Karla describes is a form of ecological attunement — the capacity to be held by natural rhythms rather than forcing them to hold still. The magnolia didn't speed up or slow down for her grief. And in following its tempo, she found a way through. Time as a companion. The tree as a clock that ticks at the right pace for mourning.
On decomposition as autobiography
When I ask how she moves through grief, Karla gives me an image. She and her lost friend were like two trees growing side by side. When he died, he dissolved — into flame, into stars. And she was left as timber. Heavy. Disconnected from the ground.
Then once it started — once all my hacked-down wood started to decompose — I could grow from that and emerge from that. It was a rebirth, actually.
Karla has never attended a BodyCartography workshop. She has not read Olive Bieringa's writing on dying and decomposing as a somatic practice. She arrived at the same place through lived experience and Tibetan Buddhist meditation — through the body's own knowledge of how matter transforms.
"When a person dies, it's almost like there's more of a vividness of that person inside my body, rather than the memory of them outside of my body."
— Karla BrodieOn grieving for plants, and the grief that has no script
I tell Karla about the plant I thought was fake. I had it for three years — a pothos, unremarkable and green. I suspected it might be artificial. When it finally died, I felt a grief that surprised me with its force. And then I felt foolish for feeling it. There was nowhere to put the feeling except in the bin with the plant.
When a tree gets cut down around me, I am just angry and then very upset. Everything changed. The light changed, how it moved through the space. Your life literally changes when a tree gets cut down.
We talk about disenfranchised grief — the kind of loss that society doesn't recognise as legitimate. For plants, there is no funeral, no leave of absence, no one asking how you're doing. But this shapelessness might be exactly why it matters. A grief that has no social script has nowhere to go except into the body. And in the body, it might meet all the other grief that never had a script either.
On trees as ancestors and record-keepers
Here's this recent history of a tragedy, and they want to put in an artificial structure to memorialize people that passed. But then there's this tree that's been there for a lot longer. And they were saying: you're less important. Thank God the community protested. The tree is still there, in its place.
She talks about kauri trees — some over two thousand years old. Their rings hold drought years and flood years. They are not just old. They are archives. They are, she says quietly, our ancestors.
On cuttings and the social life of plants
That's how I grow my garden too. If I go to someone's house and they have amazing things, I'll be like — oh, could I have a cutting of that? My whole garden is full of connections to other people.
A garden as a social network, rendered in chlorophyll. Seeds as travellers, carrying memory across distance. She's not just growing food. She's composing a living archive.
A moment
Karla is wearing trousers she has owned since her early twenties. She is nearly fifty. There are holes at the knees — proper holes, worn through by time and use. She mentions this with obvious affection. She went back to the shop where she bought them, still wearing them, to buy a new merino singlet. She showed the shop assistant the holes. They understood. — The trousers do not represent failure. They represent the only kind of permanence that living things can honestly offer: the proof that something was really here.
Reading thread
Earth Emotions: New Words for a New World — Glenn Albrecht (2019). The philosopher who coined solastalgia — the grief of watching a beloved place change while you still live in it.
Entangled Life — Merlin Sheldrake (2020). On the underground networks connecting plants. Reads differently after talking to Karla about mycelia and what moves through soil we cannot see.
The Mushroom at the End of the World — Anna Tsing (2015). On what survives at the edges of capitalism. Karla's cuttings and seed-saving are exactly what Tsing calls "pericapitalist."
Ecological grief as a mental health response to climate change-related loss — Cunsolo & Ellis, Nature Climate Change (2018). Karla's grief for trees and plants is real, documented, and deserves the word.